This Means War! Exposing Church of Christ Preacher Travis Thomas Slander & False Teachings
59:34 Joseph Cleveland Water baptism is taught in John 3:3-5
1:00:37 Joseph Cleveland Mark 16:16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. Believing plus baptism equals saved.
1:02:21 Jeff Coons @Clevceland John 3:3-5 is contrasting the physical birth and spiritual birth. It is not water Baptism.
1:03:15 Joseph Cleveland We can’t be saved by works of merit. Titus 3:5. But baptism is a work of obedience.
1:06:57 Jeff Coons @Clevelend You are all over the place. Stick to one verse and it contexts and stop jumping around.
1:07:27 Joseph Cleveland Jeff coons let’s stick with mark 16:16
1:08:27 Joseph Cleveland Why do you think it was added?
1:09:05 Jeff Coons I do not accept the last verses in Mark. For example, Jesus did not rise in a different form.
1:10:48 Jeff Coons These verses are not in the earlier manuscripts.
1:11:58 Joseph Cleveland There is one Greek manuscript that is incomplete and has a space for the remainder of the chapter but there are thousands of others from the first century that do include it.
1:12:35 Jeff Coons Name them?
Side Note: I did not read his comment correctly. There is a manuscript with a blank column. It is the Codex Vaticanus of the 4th century. The Codex Vaticanus is one of the earliest extant complete manuscripts of Mark. The other complete manuscript is the Codex Sinaiticus. I do not know about the incomplete manuscript Clevelend is talking about.
1:12:51 Joseph Cleveland Jeff Coons what about Acts 2:38?
1:13:38 Jeff Coons Clevelend Jumping around again
1:17:42 Jeff Coons Clevelend Regarding Acts 2:38, please see on Youtube John Ankerberg Acts 2:38 explained. The Greek does not allow baptism to save people.
1:19:29 Joseph Cleveland Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
1:19:57 Joseph Cleveland Why you pointing me to someone else? You don’t have the answer?
1:20:08 Jeff Coons Check the Greek, Watch the video.
1:22:32 Joseph Cleveland I’ve checked the Greek. I’ve memorized the verse in Greek. And yes peter still says for them to be baptized (eis) into the forgiveness of sins
1:24:05 Jeff Coons @clevelend did you the video?
1:25:18 Joseph Cleveland No give me a minute I’ll watch it
Side note, Click here to watch the video.
1:25:38 Joseph Cleveland Since no one here can make an argument for themselves
1:27:58 Jeff Coons @Clevelend Where have you been? They have been giving you answers. you keeping jumping around.
1:33:40 Joseph Cleveland I tried to nail down a verse but you don’t accept it as scripture so I tried to accommodate you and pick a verse we both agree should be in the Bible.
1:35:41 Joseph Cleveland Ok I watched the video
1:36:51 Jeff Coons So what is your answer from Greek grammar for Acts 2:38.
1:39:27 Joseph Cleveland So that guy gave me a straw man, an opinion, and no reason to believe him. Because repent is plural and each one of you is singular that means what? Each one of you can be treated as plural statement.
1:40:37 Joseph Cleveland Why does this guy keep talking about Christians being bullies but he keeps talking the way he does?
1:40:46 Joseph Cleveland Hypocrite
1:41:14 Jeff Coons Who is a Hypocrite?
1:41:26 Joseph Cleveland The nut in the video
1:44:37 Jeff Coons @Clevelend So you have resorted to name calling suggesting you are defensive and therefore find in his opinion valid. Disprove what Ankerberg said is wrong.
1:48:46 Joseph Cleveland What about this guy name calling? Is he defensive? Here my answer watch the week long debate with church of Christ on acts 2:38
1:49:07 Jeff Coons The website CARM .org has a good article on Acts 2:38.
1:49:30 Joseph Cleveland Jeff coons you gonna watch my video?
Joseph Cleveland Jeff coons there a good article on apologetics press too
1:53:27 Joseph Cleveland I’m going to bed I can only handle so much willful ignorance in a night.
1:54:14 Jeff Coons Ankerberg is not name calling anybody. It is just that you do not have answer. Ankerberg is dealing with the Greek grammar.
1:54:18 Jeff Coons When you start attacking people instead of dealing with the subject. I lose my interest. Who did Ankberberg name call?
1:00:37 Joseph Cleveland Mark 16:16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved. Believing plus baptism equals saved.
1:02:21 Jeff Coons @Clevceland John 3:3-5 is contrasting the physical birth and spiritual birth. It is not water Baptism.
1:03:15 Joseph Cleveland We can’t be saved by works of merit. Titus 3:5. But baptism is a work of obedience.
1:06:57 Jeff Coons @Clevelend You are all over the place. Stick to one verse and it contexts and stop jumping around.
1:07:27 Joseph Cleveland Jeff coons let’s stick with mark 16:16
1:08:27 Joseph Cleveland Why do you think it was added?
1:09:05 Jeff Coons I do not accept the last verses in Mark. For example, Jesus did not rise in a different form.
1:10:48 Jeff Coons These verses are not in the earlier manuscripts.
1:11:58 Joseph Cleveland There is one Greek manuscript that is incomplete and has a space for the remainder of the chapter but there are thousands of others from the first century that do include it.
1:12:35 Jeff Coons Name them?
Side Note: I did not read his comment correctly. There is a manuscript with a blank column. It is the Codex Vaticanus of the 4th century. The Codex Vaticanus is one of the earliest extant complete manuscripts of Mark. The other complete manuscript is the Codex Sinaiticus. I do not know about the incomplete manuscript Clevelend is talking about.
1:12:51 Joseph Cleveland Jeff Coons what about Acts 2:38?
1:13:38 Jeff Coons Clevelend Jumping around again
1:17:42 Jeff Coons Clevelend Regarding Acts 2:38, please see on Youtube John Ankerberg Acts 2:38 explained. The Greek does not allow baptism to save people.
1:19:29 Joseph Cleveland Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
1:19:57 Joseph Cleveland Why you pointing me to someone else? You don’t have the answer?
1:20:08 Jeff Coons Check the Greek, Watch the video.
1:22:32 Joseph Cleveland I’ve checked the Greek. I’ve memorized the verse in Greek. And yes peter still says for them to be baptized (eis) into the forgiveness of sins
1:24:05 Jeff Coons @clevelend did you the video?
1:25:18 Joseph Cleveland No give me a minute I’ll watch it
Side note, Click here to watch the video.
1:25:38 Joseph Cleveland Since no one here can make an argument for themselves
1:27:58 Jeff Coons @Clevelend Where have you been? They have been giving you answers. you keeping jumping around.
1:33:40 Joseph Cleveland I tried to nail down a verse but you don’t accept it as scripture so I tried to accommodate you and pick a verse we both agree should be in the Bible.
1:35:41 Joseph Cleveland Ok I watched the video
1:36:51 Jeff Coons So what is your answer from Greek grammar for Acts 2:38.
1:39:27 Joseph Cleveland So that guy gave me a straw man, an opinion, and no reason to believe him. Because repent is plural and each one of you is singular that means what? Each one of you can be treated as plural statement.
1:40:37 Joseph Cleveland Why does this guy keep talking about Christians being bullies but he keeps talking the way he does?
1:40:46 Joseph Cleveland Hypocrite
1:41:14 Jeff Coons Who is a Hypocrite?
1:41:26 Joseph Cleveland The nut in the video
1:44:37 Jeff Coons @Clevelend So you have resorted to name calling suggesting you are defensive and therefore find in his opinion valid. Disprove what Ankerberg said is wrong.
1:48:46 Joseph Cleveland What about this guy name calling? Is he defensive? Here my answer watch the week long debate with church of Christ on acts 2:38
1:49:07 Jeff Coons The website CARM .org has a good article on Acts 2:38.
1:49:30 Joseph Cleveland Jeff coons you gonna watch my video?
Joseph Cleveland Jeff coons there a good article on apologetics press too
1:53:27 Joseph Cleveland I’m going to bed I can only handle so much willful ignorance in a night.
1:54:14 Jeff Coons Ankerberg is not name calling anybody. It is just that you do not have answer. Ankerberg is dealing with the Greek grammar.
1:54:18 Jeff Coons When you start attacking people instead of dealing with the subject. I lose my interest. Who did Ankberberg name call?